I’ve been touting the Zi8 as a low priced tool for “look at me” YouTube videos because it allows the use of an external mic. It’s usually the case that our preferred framing for a shot moves the camera some distance from the subject. This means that the sound recorded by the camera mic is heavily affected by the sound of the room, and that is rarely a good thing for sound quality.
By separating the mic from the camera, I should be able to position the mic for optimum sound while placing the camera for the visual effect I want. Of course, I can do this wihout an audio input on the camera by a technique called parallel recording, that is, recording on a separate audio system of some kind. The familiar clack of the slate at the start of a movie sequence is used to make it easy to synchronize the picture and sound, and this technique works very well for my homebrewed videos as well. Still it’s very tempting to think that recording directly to the camera is an easier way out, with camera audio every take and every edit lining up without any extra effort.
I’ve been interested in the range of options for attaching a mic to the Zi8, and back in December I went on a little mic shopping binge. Between my storage drawer, Ebay, and Sound Professionals I gathered a collection of mics in a range of prices. But I was struck with a glitch in my Zi8 audio, which required several round trips to attempt repair at the East Coast contract repair depot. Eventually Kodak agreed to replace my camera, but by then I was on a lovely trip to Hawai`i.
Test Design
Now that I’m back I’m ready to offer up some test clips. At first I planned to video a number of brief samples of guitar and vocal, which was very troubling to me. I strongly believe that audio sampling should be done with a single performance and carefully volume matched, in order to reduce the number of variables in the sample. As much as we think otherwise, humans just cannot judge subtle (or even not-so-subtle) differences without careful controls. My aha moment came when I realized that I was only testing audio, not video, so I could use a recorded source to get a repeatable performance. Focusing on audio only also allowed me to upload the much smaller audio clips, so the comparison will be quicker and easier.
For level matching I decided to take the easy way out and simply normalize the files. Normalizing raises the peak of a file to a given level, in this case I chose -3 dBFS. I adjusted levels like this so our ears won’t be fooled by level differences, but these samples hide the differences in the real recording you’ll get if you use one of these mics. So I’m including the original sample as well. Remember that I adjusted the sensitivity of the Zi8 for each mic, so the volume levels are affected by that even in the original, un-normalized samples.
I first created a test recording in Reaper, some slack key guitar naturally. I recorded in mono with an Audio Technica AT4050 in cardioid pattern. Then I added a bit of narration. All camera mics I know about, and many accessory mics as well, are omnidirectional. There are plenty of reasons why an omni is a good choice, but real trickery is required to get a good stereo image with omnis. So I threw in a bit of movement in the stereo field to evaluate channel separation. I arranged the narration and the stereo test ahead of the music and adjusted levels.
I placed all the mics very close to my normal listening position and played back the test recording through my normal monitoring chaing – Echo Audiofire 8, Hafler P3000, Dynaudio BM6p. A Radio Shack SPL meter showed 74 db C weighted at the mic position.
As I mentioned, I adjusted the sensitivity of the Zi8 for each mic. In each case I adjusted the sensitivity to the highest level that did not show any red. I label the default sensitivity as 0, lower sensitivity goes from -1 to -5 and higher goes from +1 to +5. I wound up using the whole range in this comparison.
Test Clips
Here’s the reference recording. It won’t get any cleaner than this.
or download ref.mp3
I used the Zoom H2 as the mic in my first experiments with the Zi8, so I included it in this comparison. It’s also handy because we can record with the H2 and the Zi8 at the same time. Even though the signal in the Zoom was very low and pumped up with a lot of digital gain in the normalization process, it is quite a bit cleaner than the Zi8. I set the Zoom to M Mic Gain because tests have shown that the H setting adds noise. This still resulted in a rather low level, so raising it also raised the noise as well.
or download h2p.mp3
Original versions, no normalization:
or download oh2p.mp3
I used the rear mics on the H2 so I could operate the controls on the front of the unit. As a result the stereo left and right are backwards in both the parallel clip and the Zi8 clip. Here’s the output of the H2 headphone jack recorded on the Zi8 with sensitivity set to -3.
or download h2v.mp3
Original versions, no normalization:
or download oh2v.mp3
If you’re like me you’ve been fooling with recorders for a while, maybe going back to cassette tapes. Perhaps, like me, you have some kind of little mic in a drawer somewhere. My drawer mic is labeled www.reactivesounds.com but the web site is a dead end now. I bought this to use with my minidisc recorder a few years ago. The mic is omni, no cable (requires an female to male extension), and has been repaired with superglue. I used -2 sensitivity for this mic.
or download drawer.mp3
Original versions, no normalization:
or download odrawer.mp3
I’ve used Sound Professionals http://www.soundprofessionals.com/ for these kinds of recording gear for years. I used one of their T-mics for years with my minidisc, but somehow lost it. They still sell a mic with the same model number, SPSM-1, but it doesn’t look much like the mic I remember. I set the Zi8 to -3 sensitivity for this mic.
or download spsm-1.mp3
Original versions, no normalization:
or download ospsm-1.mp3
The SPSM-15 is the least expensive single point stereo mic sold by Sound Professionals. It appears to have a higher low frequency cutoff than the SPSM-1, and/or lower sensitivity. As a result I set the Zi8 sensitivity to -2.
or download spsm-15.mp3
Original versions, no normalization:
or download ospsm-15.mp3
The AudioTechnica AT825 has been a popular single point stereo mic for many years, but was recently discontinued. The replacements are much higher in price, so it might be worth watching for used examples of the AT825 on Ebay or Craigslist. It seemed perfectly matched to the Zi8 and worked well at the default sensitivity setting.
or download at825.mp3
Original versions, no normalization:
or download oat825.mp3
I was impressed with the performance of the AT825. I was very disappointed in the AudioTechnica Pro 24. Although it looks much more impressive than the T-mics from Sound Professionals, it was very low in output, requiring that I set the Zi8 to the maximum +5 sensitivity.
or download atpro24.mp3
Original versions, no normalization:
or download oatpro24.mp3
Let’s Look at the Video
Let’s finish off with some actual video. Be careful with comparisons, but perhaps there will be some blatant differences we can take away. When I framed the shot to include the whole guitar the camera wound up about 5 feet from the instrument. I adjusted the Zi8 sensitivity for each mic using my normal procedure – the highest setting that did not show any red squares.
I had a little fun with my new Edius Neo 2.5 software putting together a compilation of the mic demonstrations.
All these mics sound better here than in the audio test with the recording, but they still show their basic characteristics. The camera mic picks up a lot more room, as it must at that distance. And since the room is a boxy little thing, the recording sounds small and boxy.
The H2 in this clip is very slightly overdriving the Zi8, to my ears. The slightly dark voice of the H2 comes through as well. The Sound Professionals SPSM-15 does a pretty decent job for very small bucks. I failed to mention in the video that the sensitivity on the Zi8 is down to -3. This means the SPSM-15 is quite sensitive, so it might be a problem if your source is loud. To my ear the AT825 is the winner. I like the clear presentation. I’m sorry I didn’t do a better job of balancing the channels.
I hope these comparisons are useful. I plan to try these mics with a different camera in a future post.
March 19th, 2010 - 11:13 pm
Thanks alot for that Fran. I got alot out of reading the post and the video. i have the H4, and have been wanting to do videos for youtube, etc. We have a fairly outdated mini DV camera, and i was thinking i could do parallel recording like you said. But it just seems like alot of work when something like the Zi8 is fairly cheap, i can hook the H4 up to it, and get audio and video on one source.
Anton
March 20th, 2010 - 10:01 am
I definitely recommend getting some kind of HD video shooter, but I definitely think it’s worth the little bit of effort to do parallel recording. The audio input on any camera below about $2000 is basically junk, according to all my research.
Fran
March 29th, 2010 - 3:20 am
Fran,
Thanks for the reveiws. In a panic-4-Christmas decision I got my daughter the AT Pro24 to go with the Zi8. Like many, I was worried about line level from a preamp letting the smoke out of the shiney new Zi8 so I went with the “safe” choice of the mic made for a camcorder. Same result you found; low output. And kinda dulled vocals. Can’t fault AT I guess… I’m sure they make no claim this ($70) mic belongs in a music studio.
Example: (or any of her other songs Dec 24 ‘09 (“Kiss Me”) or later)
Might TRY a real music mic (AT2035?), preamp, and attenuators (still that worry of smoke) into the Zi8 before giving in to buying and parallel recording to Zoom/Alesis/Tascam music recorder with line-in.
March 29th, 2010 - 3:26 am
Oops…
Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJYXPrtWXPc
“The Way I Am” (or any of her other songs Dec 24 ‘09 (“Kiss Me”) or later)
April 29th, 2010 - 8:21 am
Hey, Kats Dad,
I’m really sorry these got by without my noticing them. Thanks for stopping by.
After listening to your Pro24 recordings of Kat I’m actually quite impressed with your results. Of course having such a talented performer makes any mic sound a lot better.
An AT2035 or any other “real” mic with preamp and adapters will give a hotter signal, less noise, and a more full range response, but I don’t know if the result will be a night and day improvement. Honestly, the performance is by far the most important thing.
After that, it’s mostly a matter of reducing the flaws, like noise and bad room sound. Your recording is already very darned good in terms of minimizing the flaws. If I were you and trying to up the quality of my videos without getting into editing, I’d study lighting. It’s interesting and a bit complicated but it’s a huge part of getting good video.
Video editing is the final frontier, I guess. It’s kind of frustrating because it takes a LOT of computer power and it can get complicated, but with a video editing package you can combine multiple cameras, merge “color” clips into your video, do titling, add effects, zoom and crop your clips, PLUS record your audio separately using any mic arrangement you like, then tweak the audio with reverb, EQ, and compression – then merge the tweaked audio into the video.
It’s FUN!! And you have such a great subject.
Fran
June 4th, 2010 - 9:31 am
Hi. I’m about to purchase a Zi8 and I want to know your recommendation on the best affordable mic out there for it.
I’m a singer, and I wanna be able to upload vids to youtube, along with live acoustic accompaniment.
Thanks!
June 4th, 2010 - 1:39 pm
Chad, I can only offer the info in the post and the YouTube video. I thought the very inexpensive Sound Professionals SPSM-15 sounded OK to me.
If you really want good sound, though, I think you need to record on a higher quality system, then combine the audio and video in post production.
Fran
June 15th, 2010 - 11:57 pm
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August 12th, 2010 - 1:50 pm
Beautiful video, Fran. I would like a recommendation for the Zi8. The SPSM 15 sounds great, but it only comes with a 1-meter cord. Now I’m going to need around 15-20 feet. How well do extension cords work and do you have any recommendations? (I’m afraid the cord will double or triple the price.) I was about to buy the cheap Audio Technica ATR 3350, which sounds fine on YouTube and has the requisite cord, but hey, it’s only mono.
August 12th, 2010 - 10:20 pm
Daniel, perhaps you can use (or make) some adapters to connect via a standard mic cable? Are you handy with a soldering iron, do you have other cables around? If not, I’m afraid you’re right, you’ll spend more on cable than on an SPSM15.
You might run into noise problems with a long, unbalanced, cheap cable, depending on what kinds of equipment and lighting is around. But you never know until you try.
Good luck,
Fran
August 14th, 2010 - 5:41 pm
Thanks for the note, Fran. Naw, I’m not too good with a soldering iron, but I’m willing to try an extension cable. Radio Shack has them for $11. Just one more question. In the video, you have the SPSM on a stand. The Professional Sounds site says it comes with a “clip.” Does that mean it can clip onto clothing (like a lavalier) or does it have to be on a stand.? BTW, I’ll be videoing kids doing poetry slam kinds of performances, so I need the voices to be sharp, but I’m not expecting the standards a musician would demand. I just wanted the best for the money if I can attach it/tape it/ whatever to the kids’ clothes. And your video convinced me of the SPSM’s value. Thanks in advance for your advice. (The Zi8 is on the way, as of today.)